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Lee Billings: Hello. This is Lee Billings.
Clara Moskowitz: And Clara Moskowitz.
We are editor-in-chief of Scientific American’s space science department. Today we start..
Billings: We are launching…
Moskowitz: So we’re launching… staying true to our roots… the new Science Quickly series.
Billings: we call Space is fast.
Moskowitz: In every episode, we take you on a journey to the sky.
Billings: Into the space.
Moskowitz: To explore what we know…
Billings: And what we have just learned about the universe we all live in.
Moskowitz: Today, in our introductory episode, we’ll start with… space forces.
Billings: It’s right….
Moskowitz: We sat down with Lieutenant General Nina ArmagnoDirector of the US Space Forces Headquarters
Billings: Welcome, lieutenant general, thanks for coming.
Moskowitz: So, can we start with a very simple question: what are the Cosmic Forces?
Armango: The Space Force is a service, just like the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps. We are the newest service for United States of America. And we were established on December 20, 2019.
The United States Space Force trains and equips Guardians so that the Guardians can conduct space operations for the benefit of our nation.
Billings: Now, for some people, Cosmic Forces sound, well, a little funny? Like something out of science fiction?
Moskowitz: I mean, pretty quickly after then-President Trump announced you all, pop culture kind of grabbed onto your story.
Armango: Do you mean Netflix?
Moskowitz: Yeah, that show starring Steve Carell.
[CLIP: Netflix’s Space Force ]
Armango: Actually, it was funny. I thought it was funny.
So the first couple of episodes seemed funny to me. And I hate to say it, but you know, it just made fun of the Coast Guard actually more than it made fun of the Space Force.
And to show the rivalry between the Air Force and the Space Force, I thought it was just fun. Because the truth is that we came out of the Air Force and we rely on the Air Force for many, many, many things, I mean it’s a real partnership run by the Ministry of the Air Force.
And we, at the Pentagon, each service has a corridor. And in the Space Force corridor, we have a humor section, because not only is there a Netflix series, but Ben and Jerry’s ice cream called “Boots on the Moon.” And I think there’s still one tiny box hanging in the Pentagon somewhere.
Billings: It’s nice to know the Guardians of the Galaxy, uh… I mean, the Guardians have a good sense of humor. But back to reality. How important are cosmic forces?
Armango: We’ve been in space operations for decades. I want to be clear that just because we have a new service does not mean that the United States has suddenly become active in space. We have been working for decades.
And in fact, when we were first established in 2019 and then again in January 2020, the funding line that we were already using was allocated and given to the Space Force, about $18 billion at the time.
This is big money. But this is 10% of the Air Force budget. And it’s only about 2% [Department of Defense] budget.
Fast forward to this week: The President’s budget request, which has been sent to Congress, is asking for $30 billion for the US Space Force. So it’s almost a doubling of requests, but I think it shows the importance of what we’re trying to do.
We do not just continue to provide the best services from the space industry, we also now have to protect and protect the space industry. And this is a great thing, that’s why the Cosmic Forces were created.
Because, joking aside, Russia and China threaten our capabilities. They create opportunities that could threaten our systems in space.
And we must be able to defend, defend and continue to operate so that in a future conflict, crisis or even war, our forces in any other field, in the air, on land, at sea, under water, can still gain a refined advantage. the data they currently receive from the space domain.
Moskowitz: What would it really mean to go to war in space?
Armango: Well, war in space would be devastating. Because that would probably destroy the domain itself. So, you know, the world as we know it would be very, very different.
Billings: Hey And what will it mean for ordinary people on Earth if we lose some of these opportunities in space?
Armango: I mean, you know, today, especially in modern American life, we benefit from this timing signal from the GPS constellation – this timing signal controls everything from, you know, the power that we enjoy to, you know , of blue color. dot on your mobile phone.
I mean, the timing signal is everything, not to mention the positioning and navigation that GPS provides to the world for free.
A war in space could eventually disrupt these services. As a last resort, it can be destroyed completely and potentially for a very, very long time. Debris stays in space forever. So I don’t even want to bet a year on it. It will be decades.
I think we take it all for granted. I really do.
Moskowitz: You?
Armango: Oh no, no, I don’t know.
Many years ago, for example, if something went wrong with the GPS satellite. The checklist step said call the engineer because the engineer you know must have had some kind of electronic or, you know, system failure. Today, the first thought of the Guardians is that this could be nefarious, this could be the beginning of an attack.
Moskowitz: Tell us what would happen if a nefarious act were to take place in space. What could the enemy do?
Armango: An actor can attack us with cyber security. There are ground suppression capabilities that Russia and China have, and ground laser blinding capabilities that they have. They have ground-launched missiles, an anti-satellite weapon that they both demonstrated to China in 2007, creating thousands of fragments. And then Russia back in 2021, in November, another anti-satellite test.
In both cases, these countries remove their own non-functional satellites, but irresponsibly create thousands of debris.
Billings: Wait a second, what is a blinding laser?
Armango: This is a ground laser. And some satellites have very sensitive optics. And the laser can… so the blinder does no damage, so it kind of pulses with the laser. Doesn’t damage optics. But the more powerful laser they are working on can damage not only sensitive optics, but also destroy the solar array.
So, these opportunities are real, that is, they already exist.
Moskowitz: The scariest prospect in any war is nuclear weapons. What role does the Space Force play in protecting against nuclear war?
Armango: nuclear triad. The United States Space Force is essential to the nuclear triad.
Moskowitz: This is the combined land, sea and air nuclear arsenal of the United States.
Armano: We provide missile warning as well as satellite communications that will warn our country of a nuclear attack. This will provide communications for the President of the United States so that when he makes decisions about a nuclear response, this information will be transmitted through our satellite communications systems in space, which are operated by the United States Space Force.
So we are irreplaceable. That’s why we refer to our missile warning satellites and our SATCOM satellites as “valuable assets.”
Billings: Let’s say there was a nuclear attack. What then does the Cosmic Force do?
Armano: if the United States were attacked by nuclear force, we would be the first to know, because these missile warning sensors are constantly watching – they are actually watching all over the globe. And they’re looking for infrared radiation. So, the ICBM plume is quite large. And it will be detected by the first United States space forces and the facilities that we have in orbit.
They are definitely strategically targeted at Russian ICBM fields, as well as China, as China is also building up its nuclear capability.
Moskowitz: What opportunities do Russia and China actually have now?
Armano: Russia definitely had very combat-ready spaceships during the Cold War. Over time, these capabilities have weakened a little, but I would say that they still pose an acute threat.
China is growing rapidly and developing all the space capabilities we have. So, they’re definitely working on their missile warning system.
We don’t have to worry about a nuclear exchange. I mean… any nation that has nuclear weapons knows it’s existential.
Now Russia is talking about using tactical nuclear weapons. They wrote about it, spoke publicly about their use in conventional combat. And again and again the United States says, oh no, it’s a red line, it’s a red line.
There is a nuclear taboo that is observed by responsible nuclear countries. And that’s the best deterrent, it’s a taboo that you shouldn’t use nuclear weapons, even tactically, which sounds like they’re not that destructive, but nuclear weapons are destructive. And this taboo still exists, this red line is still very bright.
Billings: So Lieutenant General, you’re talking about containment. How to successfully calculate what will deter a nuclear attack?
Armano: Deterrence is indeed in the mind of the enemy. The idea is to be strong enough to make your opponent say “not today”. Every time they wake up, or should I hit the USA? Not today. Because the United States… our strength is a deterrent.
Moskowitz: Well, thanks, lieutenant. General Armano, it was a pleasure talking to you.
Armano: Thank you. It’s great to be here.
Billings: And thank you You to listen to Cosmos, Quickly. We have a lot more soon everything you wanted to know about space, but were afraid to ask.
Moskowitz: Science Quickly is produced by Jeff DelVishio, Tulica Bowes and Kelso Harper.
Billings: Dui Lin Tu and Nina Berman assisted us in filming this episode.
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